SD tactical should immediately retain the same law firm that handled that ’80 percent’ receiver company’s (name escapes me at the moment but they’re still in business, and their story is all over the internet) illegal raid and shut down in California for making receivers supposedly too easy to finish. Silencers have become a significant segment of the firearms business and it’s growing every day. Just buy it over the counter, no background checks or extra consideration required. card’ (courtesy of the ‘2005 Real I.D. Maglite Solvent Trap Adapter Kit. Repeal the 17th Amendment. And again, how does this group of materials prove something called “intent” (mind-reading by authorities is OK, now? For those who don’t want to pay through the nose for a gun muffler (or really just want to do it themselves) there are kits available with all the parts you need to cobble together your own. You can make your own gun (and I have, just to say I have), but you can’t make your own suppressor, for reasons that make no sense. This amount of stupid I’ve not heard of. Arbitrary nonsense, and as a result the agency (ATF) can pick and choose whoever they want to shutdown regardless of the law. At present, silencers fall under the National Firearms Act. Solvent trap feature cups, also referred to as dividers, that trap byproduct created during the cleaning process. I have never heard a politician be as adamant about the essence of our founding principle “that to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed” as I have since Trump took office. Because eventually they’ll make most able bodies 2nd/A Free Americans criminals (read George Will’s article on the criminalization of America) and most ex convicts are automatically then disarmed for life! One-fifth are as I described, and the other two-fifths don’t really care, they just want to get their paycheck. For this task, work in an area where there is plenty of space. Well Curtis Childress, is partially correct - it’s a container that can attach to the muzzle of a firearm to collect the dirty solvent and patches pushed thru in cleaning. But we’re not talking about the law – we’re talking about an OPINION, because the ATF does not have the power to make laws. exactly, if the ATF wants to play this stupid game, kick them in the rule book till their nuts fall off. This type of malfunction is dangerous as the gun may explode. ATF is salivating at the opportunity to seize their CNC machines on the slightest pretext….. so you are not far off. It’s still a felony unless you buy an NFA registered adapter which in this case is considered the silencer. No challenge, no resistance, no tampering will be permitted. . BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! and intended for use in assembling or fabricating a firearm silencer It’s pretty obvious they were trying to “get cute” with this solvent trap and, as someone else stated, why not just make them out of plastic if you’re just looking to keep your work bench clean? I see nothing that states the device must be attached to the firearm. However, if the solvent trapped was redesigned or utilized to assemble a device for silencing, muffling or diminishing the report of a portable firearm or if intent was demonstrated to use the device for silencing, muffling or diminishing the report of a portable firearm, the solvent trap would be classified as a “firearm silencer” as defined in 18 U.S.C. It’s all about proving what was intended, basically the ATF called SD Tactical’s bluff and they folded. There is no effective difference between declaring you have committed a crime in the past based on a new law today, and enacting a law that says you are committing a crime in the now, based on making once legal activity illegal by virtue of the new law. Some are, The modern version of gun solvent traps, on the other hand, is styled differently. Just like the British did back in the day. This solvent trap is a D-Size tube that is built with a 2.00" reinforced spacer section in the rear of the tube and is threaded 1.375x24 to accept 3rd party adapters. the government is getting way out of hand. Each person is different, so you may have unique requirements. Choosing a gun solvent trap depends on what style, colors, or material appeals to you the most. Solvent trap and oil filters are now used as an alternate gun suppressor. There is a point where all the wink wink nod nod goes out the window. All paid for, by the insulting way, with your tax dollars. ince most chemicals used for gun cleaning are expensive, the solvent trap can collect them to be re-used. Some of them come in different colors as well. Do not expect that to change much. Especially when said person can prove they’ve gone out of their way to jump through every hoop the ATF has created and even gone further by corresponding with the ATF to ensure compliance which the ATF has previously assured the person in question of. Easy: They don’t have to be right, only powerful. When you decide to get one, make sure to have what you need and what you want. It’s more akin to the whole “brace” crap, but worse. they were ok, now they decide well you cant shoulder it u can put it on your cheek. If you ask them a question, they issue an opinion letter and that remains the official opinion until there’s a change in the underlying law. I’ve used two of their kits in the past for my form-1 cans and they are one of the most affordable options for someone looking to play the quiet game. Eternal vigilance; there’s no such thing as unconditional ideological surrender. Why would they put anything about “you must follow all laws regarding silencers and baffles” on their website if they were not selling silencers and baffles. Incomplete discharge happens when there is not enough force to execute a round, causing it lodge inside the gun barrel after firing it. Law states “including any combination of parts, designed or redesigned, and intended for use in assembling or fabricating a firearm silencer” So if parts are sold for the purpose of constructing a silencer, you are in violation. We have AKs, ARs, and Glocks. And bulldozed the crime scene. Now the ATF says that a machine gun is “Any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger”. I guess to make it simple and explain it the best I can the only thing I can say about “constructive intent” allegations or charges is “Because They Can” ? The SD Tactical situation looks like another such reversal. The solvent trap controversy comes against the backdrop of a national debate over how silencers should be regulated. High quality solvent trap designed to collect your volatile cleaning solvents used while cleaning your firearm. If anyone important at ATF ever reads this, what is your problem with people having stupid things like silencers and SBR/S’s? Solvent traps my ass, they are suppressors. These guys are not doing that, they are trying to be cute and calling the suppressor kit something else. Permanent disarmament after you have paid your dues for a crimeand are reintegrated back into society once again as a law abiding citizen is an insidious sanction that defies and defiles all sane reference to crime and punishment in an Egalitarian Libertarian society. However, the FBI started the fire that burned the compound and then opened fire on the only exit so nobody could escape. and thereby effectively neutralizing guerilla fighters before they get started. Please make sure you review the details before purchasing. Really. I doubt we’ll get that much, but I’d be fine with them treating them the same as firearms themselves. Playing hardball with threats keeps them getting what they want and generally avoids, or at least seriously reduces, the risk of having a judge give them a spanking over this. Sep 22, 2017 - Explore Bret Thornton's board "Solvent Trap" on Pinterest. Don’t forget that those grocers sell steel wool too. The kits are completely enclosed, with no central passage through which a projectile might pass. Just used to protect the pump from any of the filtrate from getting into the pump line. They informed him of the fact his approval was rescinded and gave him a certain period of time to turn in the firearm. 3D Printed ar-15 lower 100 Round live fire Test. § 921(a)(3)(C) and 26 U.S.C. If I happen to have all the requisite items, and download the plans, can you seriously conclude my intent is to build a machine gun? Remember….it all started with the ATF deciding that their charter stretched to cover situations where guns and children were co-located. I can make a gun without involving any government agency at all, and, even if it’s found in my possession by a LEO, it’s legal. The rest of the Constitution is merely an interesting relic of days before life began, a time when there was only black and white television, rotary dial wired telephones, before free sex. The real problem is that the industry has completely outpaced the NFA side of ATF to the point of near irrelevance, and they know it: pistol braces, binary triggers, and more. So what happens now to the people who bought the solvent trap kits with the approval letter from the ATF that SD Tactical got from the ATF before they started selling them, and before the ATF shut down their business. No violations of any law had occurred. The stated intent of a solvent trap is to catch and trap gun cleaning solvent during bore cleaning operations commonly performed on firearms. In all the discussion, there has been nothing mentioned about baffling. Pretty sure you can build suppressors and and sbr’s (I know you can for sbr’s because I have) …just make sure you get your stamp back BEFORE you build/assemble. That means I would have to wait until you commit a crime before you are arrested (“conspiracy law” that preempts is more “thought police”). Its just a way the government sucks more money from the good people. Pay for your stamp. Well Sam I Am, that’s pretty incoherent. As noted by others, if I have an AR-15, ammunition and a duffel bag in the trunk of my car, and park the car in front of a bank, is that constructive intent to rob the bank? You restated the issue. You raised the Constitution as some sort of shield designed to protect “citizens” from government. About 2007, the SC ruled that a contractor who knowingly presented the government with a false invoice did not commit fraud, because the government had to prove that the contractor intended to commit fraud. Hello, the aircraft grade titanium, stainless steel, inconel steel and aluminums used to build the suppressors by the licensed companies result in a vastly superior, stronger, longer lasting, perfectly aligned suppressor than the illegal homemade ones.. that means any hearing protection could be ruled to be a silencer! Do you at least agree that you can not sell suppressor parts without a form one. we are not talking about full auto. ATF shut that down too. If you think gun solvent traps are a recent innovation, think again. i think ill order another solvent trap so i dont get the solvent on my garage floor. People should do away with “constructive intent” altogether. assembly or fabrication.”. Do not be duped. I was recently contacted by a client who was considering purchasing a threaded ‘solvent trap’ adapter and using it as the basis for a Form 1 build of a suppressor. That’s by their own letter. Although a gun that looks great is nice, if the inside isn’t cleaned and it malfunctions–it can actually become a ticking time bomb. Hah! Instead they announced their intention to make a show. The same is true of certain state laws. ?REGULATING LATHES AND MACHINING EQUIPMENT?? Not this fuzzy bullshit, used and abused to capture people and their possessions. If Binder’s stupid theory about shotguns, miter boxes and hacksaws were true, the ATF would have raided every Walmart, Meijer’s and Thiessens in the US long since. So why is the first OK, but the second not? Napa 4003 Fuel Filter. I have no idea. The GOP is in power–CONTACT YOUR CONGRESSMAN!!! Not only do we have hate crimes based on elastic concepts of “intent”, we also have pre-crime temporary restraining orders that are based on no rationality regarding “intent”. I can’t fiqure out “intent” anymore…. Anyone found in possession of steel or aluminum sheet/tube stock should be arrested for constructive intent ASAP! Why? I would stay away from any aluminum tube solvent … The Constitution is nonetheless required, because irrespective of the establishment reality, there is also a populace to contend with. It was created after the prohibition of Alcohol was finally correctly repealed just to help disarm future opposition to the nascent totalitarian political power elite gaining momentum. Their local ATF ioi officer came to their shop to monitor and inventory an item completely unrelated to solvent traps and discovered the violation. Such a situation underscores the futility of attempting to politically pursue the notion of rights not violable by government. Too far a stretch? Then, suddenly, the LEA said they weren’t obeying the law. If not, try and ask SilencerCo sometime for replacement parts. I know a few guys who own CNC machines who got a visit from ATF and are under the microscope, albeit well within the law…. More money will be spent by the ‘enemy’ this year alone on impeaching or disrupting his Office than was spent during the entire election process by the Totalitarian left to accomplish that. The ATF acquitted itself poorly at Waco and got what it deserved. 11 months for a 200.00 tax stamp? Not to mention the Su-Press-On guy that sold “pre 81” drop in auto sears which were legal to buy but you could not put it legally into or even possess an AR-15 in the same house as the DIAS…. “Law enforcers” are human, as such they have free will. Or…. Happy to be semi-helpful. I wonder what his face would look like if you duct taped a pillow to it . Titanium Solvent Trap parts are the right choice for higher caliber firearms when it comes to safety against misfires. Solvent traps are silencers now? But he was quick to call them a silencer kit. Two things can also happen when a gun is not properly maintained: a round may fail to feed into the chamber after firing and/or a fired round may fail to clear the gun’s ejection point. if there are no actual laws. . We do not customize these. Wrong, as in untrue. If you do decide to make any modifications that re-purpose the solvent trap into anything other than a cleaning, storage, & safety device, it is a strong recommendation you read and follow federal, state and local laws. Muted Machine Works; Diversified Machine; Hawk Innovative Tech; Form 1 Builder; Quiet Bore; Solvent Traps Direct; KM Tactical; Super Precision Concepts; Maverick Precision; Solvent Trap Cups; JR Machine Pro; NTC Trading; A and L Machine Arizona; Ecco Machine Website - Facebook; Cups. And no, government agencies rarely pursue charges against people who just might be able to bite back. Can ATF close them down? Pass the Word, Let’s rock! Having owned a gun for some time now, you may already be aware of the things that can happen when you become negligent about gun maintenance. Having been there, one always wonders how many would remain government employees if they couldn’t play games with the populace? In this case, the propellant’s ignition and the gun’s triggering action lag. Order your solvent trap. They’re betting you don’t have the time, money and will to challenge their “authority” and 99.9999% of the time they’re right about that. § 921(a)(24) and as a “firearm” as defined in 18 U.S.C. So the 68 GCA Totalitarian disarmament legacy works like this. You want more of that? . do we have to worry about some bureucrat deciding well maybe we change our minds? The feds could have avoided the entire episode ! Solvent Trap Kit - 7075 AL Cups Our solvent traps are designed to create an airtight seal and reduce corrosive solvents from leaking or spilling out while cleaning your firearm. Solvent trap kits aren’t regulated as firearms, so any retailer can sell the parts. It’s done all the time. Instead they demand you surrender the item to avoid prosecution. SOLVENT TRAPS &CLEANING ACCESSORIES. Why not more designs? If, however, the preponderance of lower court decisions sway towards liberty, the cost to the dogmatic progressive totalitarians of appeal at some point will reach high enough that they will have to pick and choose, which defaults to greater freedom as a result of economic expediency. Even if there were 3.5million fraudulent voters for Clinton, the popular vote would have been a near tie. However, this solvent trap kit is made of 304 Stainless Steel with a highly durable matte black finish. You can even purchase it online if you want. What causes this is the residue buildup. Just chin up and pick out a quality unit, pay the tax, wait the time and quit whining… Or are you one of the thousands of “prohibited persons” who can’t get a tax stamp or even own a gun? Even Nick has a hard time calling them a “solvent trap”. Or maybe you won’t have to be shooting anyone, you’ll just be too bad at doing your own financial business, or may be you are regularly on prescribed meds, and ‘shouldn’t’ be allowed guns if you can’t handle that? all people should build on form 1’s suppresors and flood them with paperwork. It’s not a “assembled” firearm. The problem here is that the threshold between a random parts and a complete suppressor is not stable one, it varies on who is reading it at any given time, and such ambiguity has no place in law. Because firearms are built with heavy-duty materials to make them last. !…what happened to INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY!! KM Tactical offers solvent trap kits at cheap prices. The agency’s ability to write legally binding “opinions” would already be suspect to a lot of federal judges that’s not a game I think the ATF wants to play. What country are you living in? What if you sold them a muzzle device they could look and weld? Order your solvent trap. But it appears that the ATF has just shut down one of the providers of such kits. What are Solvent Traps? If anyone knows any lawyers that would handle this lets post back with their names on this site. Yeah, the cost of this modular version is higher than alternatives like QB, but it’s unique and innovative, and with eFile for your Form 1, you can go from no can to a pretty nice can in about 30 days, something you just can’t do (but should be able to) with a Form 4. “Constructive intent” has no boundary; that is the crime. If none of the colors or design. The ruling is quite clear….the ATF can declare that any material, within whatever proximity, that can be mad into a controlled firearm is a controlled firearm. Exactly, just like an avid ‘4th of July celebrator’ will have a big box full of legally purchased bfireworks but since he’s a building contractor he also has pieces of steel pipe in his garage can that be ‘stretched’ to sustain a ‘construct intent’ arrest for conspiracy to manufacture pipe bombs, even if no pipe ‘bomb’ itself was ever found? If that is the case, how does a machine shop, or Home Depot not violate the law? Well, since “automatically” is defined as “by itself with little or no direct human control” one could well argue that it does indeed fire automatically multiple times after the trigger is depressed. Since as originally manufactured they are not intended to silence, muffle or diminish the report of a portable firearm they are not silencers as defined in 18 U.S.C. However, the Branch Davidians could have resolved the situation at any time by simply walking out with their hands up. Throw you in jail for violating NFA? A point of law is that there is no prior restraint because you can’t prove, absent testimony thereto, intent – and thus you cannot stop a man on his way to a street corner with a soapbox intending to preach sedition. Although a gun that looks great is nice, if the inside isn’t cleaned and it malfunctions–it can actually become a ticking time bomb. Just like anything else NFA related this is nothing but class discrimination. If not, why not? They are devices that are attached to the rifle’s threaded muzzle to capture cleaning solvents or fluids. Sure it’s a grey area of the law as they sold a legal product but I’m betting if this went to court then intent could be proven that these devices were designed to be used as suppressors. People here complain about the ruling on marriage equality, but it is a matter of historical fact that it is far, far better to err on the side of enhancing individual rights, however much that may offend some, than on the side of allowing government to define anything having to do with free associations between citizens. The government (and us through our inability to control our government) murdered those people. These devises are well tested and proven at this point in time (Tens of Thousands of gunshot detections where they are deployed nation wide in places like Washington and California and New York. Technology is a hell of a wonderful thing…until it is used to surveil, track, and oppress the people of a Free Nation. And of course with the predictable inevitable slippery slope of Totalitarian tyranny. Methinks I haven’t had nearly enough rum or ale for this conversation… ANOTHER, WENCH! Making the solvent trap into a suppressor is extremely easy, and the e-form 1 through the atf website is a breeze. “The intent was there! This has got to stop and we now have a good chance to push through a remedy for this outrageous abuse of authority and police powers with the new Trump administration.
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